Another stupid Nabatea1 thread: "Who is Whiter Berbers or Pashtuns?"

Nabatea1 wrote:So who is Whiter Berbers or Pashtuns.

Portukalos wrote:Why making those stupid threads?

1) Genetically Pashtuns are more Caucasoid than Berbers if you include some groups such as the Tuaregs. But Most Berbers are about as Caucasoid as most Pashtuns. The first ones have African ancestry while the second one have Australoid/South Asian indigenous ancestry. Add to that Mongoloid admixture amongst the Pashtuns. The general admixture of Pashtuns is Eurasian though (non African).

2) Phenotypically both Pashtuns and Berbers have distinct features and phentoype from the land mass of Europeans. But proportionally there are more Berbers in terms of percentage that would fit in Europe (Sardinia , Sicily , South Italy , Portugal) than Pashtuns who would fit Europe. Thus the latter are more easy to assimilate as White. Most Pashtuns who don't look distinctly Iranic , would fit in West Asia before Europe. It is also true for many Berbers , but proportionally more European passable.

3) Berbers have historically more relationship with Europe than Pahstuns. Berbers main mtDNAs are identical to that of Southwest Europeans , Berbers were part of the Roman Empire and many were Romanized. Berbers were Christianized and participated in the formation of the Christian culture (Saint Augustine , three Roman popes were Berbers , several Roman authors such as Apulea etc). Then the colonization of Spain (Al Andalus) , the expulsion of Moriscos and the Barbary slavery periods would have brought more actual European traits and genetics in North Africa than in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

Dynamo wrote:MHO, pashtuns. They live on a higher latitude than most berbers, plus all are Caucasian whereas in berbers you can find ssa influenced individuals. On personal experience, I've seen much more light eyes and hair in pashtuns than in berbers, most of the ones that do have light hair have kinky hair which gives away the fact they are north Africans.

Don't Pahstuns live in Pakistan/Afghanistan which is a mostly desertic country made of hot high lands? Some regions inhabited by Berbers such as Atlas mountains and Kabylia ressemble more Switzerland or South Spain , than they ressemble Pakistan. Also a large part of Berbers live in Mediterrranean coastal region (North Algeria , North Morocco etc).


Thus generally Berbers are going to be ligher skinned than Pashtuns. This is especially true for Rifians and Kabyles as pointed above here, but many others too. This is what I have seen comparing Afghan migrants and Algerian migrants in France. Algerians are definitely lighter skinned than them.

Curly hair is indeed more common among Berbers than Pashtuns , but curly hair is pretty common over South Italy , Levantine country. Honestly it's not the straight hair of Afghans I have seen that makes them look European , their straight hair is more similar to that of Indians and other South Indians than that of European populations.

Dynamo wrote:So their hair texture which is straight are identical to South Indians? Lol, come on. I agree this thread is pointless. However, the amount of afghans passing in Europe should not be underestimated, a large minority can pass in the Balkans, as well as Greece. Iranid is not the only type existent in Afghanistan( I consider iranid to be under east med), there's also pontid present as well as others such as armenoid, alpine Etc. Yes Pashtuns have got south Asian influence but it's over exaggerated IMO, the studies I've looked at on 3 afghan Pashtuns showed that they had less than 13%. Asi component is not the same as australoid btw. Yes Berbers have had more contact with Europe but that doesn't mean they have more people who pass in Europe, Sudan was under French and British rule as well. Kabyles and rififians form a minority within the Berber ethnic group, maghrebis etc also count. And no, most pashtun areas are mountainous that make them have ruddyish skin most times, places like helmand( where the British army is based) are hot and dry. P

Portukalos wrote:Yeah the hair texture of Pashtuns ressemble more than of South Asian Indian ethnic groups than any European I've seen so far. And since North African countries had more history with Europe (but also Ottoman Empire) , there'll be more real European looking individuals to be found rather than far away countries such as Afghanistan. I would say in terms of skin tone Iranians are on per with Algerians and Northern Moroccans/North Tunisians. Afghans are known to be slightly darker than Iranians , therefore Pashtuns are darker skinned than coastal North Africans. Both North Africans and Afghans remain distinct from the European ethnicities. As for Kabyles and Rifians , they are lightest Berbers (but there are many regions in Algeria were people are about as light skinned as the Rifians with Kabyles being the lightest North African ethnic group).

Yes I saw Pashtuns on internet and web pictures. But also Afghans on TV when many of them came to France to pass illegally onto England. They look Iranic (some have Mongoloid influence but I don't know if they were Pashtuns) , darker skinned then Iranians , but still lighter skinned than most Indian ethnic groups. Pahstuns have a higher percentage of individuals that would pass in most West Asian countries , especially in comparison to South Asian ethnos. But European? There are a tiny minority , smaller than that of coastal North Africans. Africa is a giant continent. The climate of coastal North Africa is pretty much like that of Levantine countries , and just hotter than most South Europe by a small margin. Atlas mountans and coastal regions are green , North Africa was called the granary of the Roman Empire while from pictures I saw much of Pakistan and Afghanistan is similar to South Iranian plateaue , i.e desertic moutains and highlands without much trees if any.

I do agree the Pashtuns are lighter and more Caucasoid than a large part of the Moroccans , and especially Egyptians (minus the Copts perhaps) who are much darker and have less obvious Caucasoid traits , this means a large part of North Africans but not the majority.